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Title: The Saga Continues...
Post by: FedUp on August 25, 2007, 07:52:13 PM
Well the saga continues.  A year ago when the recall was going on I developed a website called "recallperez.com."  Well apparently Perez and his supporters did not like what I was doing and they left me dirty, vile, threatening notes on my mailbox and front door. 
 
Now we go to chapter two of this saga.  Recently I posted a thread about the tourism department and Kim Swisher.  I questioned the spending that was going on in this department.  I also questioned if it was proper of Kim Swisher to hire her husband to host email accounts and cameras and also questioned the high amount he was charging the city. 

Well apparently the posts that I made got Kim Swisher's attention and she posted a response to my posts on the forum.  But it doesn't end there.  About a day after Kim posted on the forum, her husband Mike called my parents at 10:30 at night asking for me and wanting my phone number.  My mom did not give that information.  I think it was very discourteous of him to be calling my parents at 10:30pm.  When the phone rang my mom thought something bad had happened.  But this chapter is still not over.  Guess what I found on my porch today?  Another theatening letter!!!  It is filled with the usual trash as previous letters.
 
Since Swisher was hired by Perez, I would think that she supports Perez.  So it is business as usual for the Perez gang; threats, intimidation and trying to silence people's freedom of speech.
 
So what am I to think.  I post information about Kim Swisher and the Tourism Department after which she responds to my posts. 

Then her husband calls my parents late at night trying to find me. 

And now I find a threatening letter on my porch. 

I'm not making any accusations of anyone in particular, but I'll let you draw your own conclusions.  I'll report, you decide!


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: Alberto on August 25, 2007, 10:09:26 PM




Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: Rod on August 26, 2007, 06:41:52 AM
Did you call the cops?  I would.   Let them question him.


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: Rondie on August 26, 2007, 09:29:23 AM
I'd call the police too Jeni.
I know if 2 of them that come to this site. So, if the saw Kim's letter and what all was posted, well, there ya go. Evidence. Plus what you have sitting right in front of you. Mike's letter. (Or somebody from the "Ring").
Don't just sit by and let this go on. Please.


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: Joan on August 26, 2007, 10:01:31 AM
Isn't Jeni, and aren't the rest of us entitled to our opinions of what we think of the Tourism Dept. of TWO?  If we don't like it and think it is a waste of money, why in the world can't we say so without one of us getting threatened?

WE SEE YOUR TRUE MIND SET YOU UBO!!! I, for one, know he's behind this.  Don't let it get to you Jeni.  Maybe in a day or two, if you get more, you should call the police.  Otherwise, ignore the cowards.


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: Rod on August 26, 2007, 11:22:35 AM
They don't have to like what you say, but there is no excuse for threatening, harassing your elderly parents late at night to find you and stalking (trying to find you at 10:30 pm to threaten you could be considered stalking, imho).    You posted facts and numbers that Kim herself provided and what is wrong with questioning excessive and unecessary expenditures by a city government entity?    You should call the cops.   


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: FedUp on August 26, 2007, 02:27:45 PM
Keep the thoughts/ideas coming PLEASE -- they're much appreciated and I'm listening!!!  ty:


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: MikeS. on August 26, 2007, 03:15:22 PM
This is Mike Swisher

First I apologize for calling Jeni's parents at such a late hour.

As for why I called them, I wanted to discuss some things that Jeni has said on here that just aren't true. I really hate posting on these forums and wanted to discuss things in person. To get her phone number I did a yahoo people search and the first name that came up was J. Reisinger, I don't know where Jenny lives so I called that number. I guess I called Joan and I was told that Jeni didn't live there. I asked if the correct phone number would be one the associated with  a Treeline Terrace address and I was told she had no further information for me. At that point I tried calling the listing of Jennifer B. Reisinger but that number has been disconnected.  I then gave up trying to make contact her because I didn't feel it was worth the effort.

Look at was has been said so far because I tried to contact her...I am now being linked to threatening letters?  Ohhh my gosh is all I can say.

Rod
I in no way threatened or harassed the person I talked to on the phone. (Jeni's mom)   And to say I'm stalking? Here's a definition "to pursue obsessively and to the point of harassment" I am neither pursing or harassing anyone. So your comments are falling in to a pretty gray area...as you would say "imho" and your opinion isn't so humble. It would now appear that there is now a thread about my webohosting business..which by the way I am no longer pursing because my career is path is changing. So who's stalking who?

Rondie That's a pretty bold statement to say it's my letter. In fact it's an outright lie.

mysterylover
-Joan you have every right to post your opinions but they go much further than opinions. Coming up with wacky ideas like the camera's active x control will give the city access to your hard drives is just a bit far fetched. It would seem that some people on here are so paranoid they are becoming delusional. Freedom of speech does not give you the right to make things up.

Jeni-To say I am or have gained monetarily through Excelnet is also untrue. Yes they do the hosting for the camera and I did work there at the time it was installed. I have not worked at Excelnet for more than 2 months. Saying that the Swisher's are lining their pockets with your taxpayer money is a pure insult. Kim was hired for job and she does that job well. You guys think it's a "cushy" job but if you knew the hours she puts in and the amount of contacts she makes you might reconsider that opinion.The money for her salary and all projects such as the webcam are from room tax dollars, not taxpayer money. It would seem that rather than room tax money being paid to 3 people at the chamber to promote Sheboygan, it's now being paid to 2 people at the City Tourism Department. I know that you will never agree with the Tourism Department being part of the city because of your hatred for the Mayor, and you definitely are entitled to express that.

So let me sum it up..I did mistakenly call Jeni's mom thinking I could reach Jeni there. It might have been a bit late and I have apologized for that. And here is the big one I HAVE NEVER SENT THREATENING LETTERS TO ANYONE IN THE SHEBOYGAN AREA!

When my wife was hired for the tourism job we looked forward to moving to Sheboygan. We had no knowledge of the politics behind the newly created position, if we had known there  would be this much flack from a some people in the community she might have reconsidered. It's really getting to be a drag living here when a group of people constantly drag your name through the mud because of how those people feel about the local government. We try to stay upbeat and help out in the community to make it a better place, but it's really hard sometimes when things like this go on. Sheeesh I try to make sure that you guys are getting your facts correct by making a phone call and I'm now being accused of sending threatening letters and stalking people. What's a guy to do? Should Kim quit her job? The tourism dept. isn't going to go away. Maybe by getting the right people on the Council and campaigning hard for a new Mayor is your best choice of action.

Well that's my rant, take it for what it's worth. If you want to talk to me personally feel free to call anytime...up until midnight any  :P 

Maybe if you knew me you would realize that I a person with high moral standards and that's what makes me who I am.

I would suggest that you do contact the police about the letter. But please don't say I'm doing things I'm not. Maybe you could scan the letter and post it so we can see what kind of lowlife we are dealing with.

Sincerely

Michael L. Swisher
920-547-4110



Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: Rondie on August 26, 2007, 03:37:04 PM
Mike,
It ALSO says: (Or somebody from the "Ring").
I have my own opinions on this whole thread myself. Since I am not one to judge people by what they say, I don't make a comment unless I have concrete information. I've been in a postion before where I was accused of something based on heresay, when in reality none of it was true. In essence, I don't base things on heresay because of that.
So, in my where I said "Mike's letter", I meant it as if that was indeed your letter. Since I couldn't prove that it was actually you, and I have a hunch who really did it, I added "Or somebody from the "Ring".
I didn't accuse you, and I appologize to you if you read it that way and got the wrong meaning.

Thank you also for making clear what happened. In the heat of the moment you wanted to get this cleared up, so you called late at night. I myself would have been upset. Concidering Jeni's parents are up in age, and you probably scared the hell out of them.........


Rondie


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: MikeS. on August 26, 2007, 04:22:08 PM
Thanks Rondie! 


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: Joan on August 26, 2007, 04:40:56 PM
Mike, I don't make things up.  I do speculate based on my knowledge of human nature, and at the age of 75, I have really been around the block a few times.

I am not a paranoid person, nor am I delusional.

I do not know a THING about Active X.

It's true that I have been and always will be against the Tourism Dept. I make no bones about that.  It is a horrible waste and it should never have happened.  Jim Graf changed his vote because juan perez offerred his wife a job.  Right there that is reason to get taxpayers angry. 

The tourism brochures I received in the open records request, advertise for everyone from here to Green Bay, and to Chicago, Kohler, and everything in between.  They are not strictly promoting the City.

You are right that we must vote out the Mayor, change the Council and get rid of the Tourism Two department.


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: Rod on August 26, 2007, 05:01:26 PM
Mike, Thank you for posting your side.    I don't believe you were the one who delivered or wrote the letter, now.  You seem
like an ok person.  I hope the cops can get to the bottom of who wrote and delivered it and more importantly, who requested it be done.


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: MikeS. on August 26, 2007, 05:09:21 PM
Hi mystery,

I'm sorry about the paranoid delusional thing, I apologize for that.

It's just that jeni wrote that the city was looking to use the camera Active X control to get into peoples computers. That would be highly illegal and easy to prove. If she would have done just a touch of homework on that particular control, by monitoring traffic through a firewall, or confirming that the control was signed by a reputable company she would have seen that the control was in no way malicious. She is correct in stating that they can be a danger and you do need to be alert about this type of control. I was working for my wife at no cost on this project because she needed a little help in getting this going. The camera at the time was not working correctly and did require the ActiveX control for Internet Exlporer users only. Viewing the website through a different browser such as Firefox, Opera, or on a Mac required no extra downloads. The problem with the camera was the firmware or instructions programmed into the camera not working properly. The firmware for the camera has been updated and the pictures now work through a java applet for all browsers, no more ActiveX control needed. There are no longer any links through me, that was a cost free temporary solution.

As far as misinformation goes, look at Jeni's opening statement.

"Now we go to chapter two of this saga.  Recently I posted a thread about the tourism department and Kim Swisher.  I questioned the spending that was going on in this department.  I also questioned if it was proper of Kim Swisher to hire her husband to host email accounts and cameras and also questioned the high amount he was charging the city. "

I have never been hired by the city to host e-mail accounts and have never charged them anything.  Why would Jeni post something like that? It's not true.

Thanks again,

Mike

P.S. Have I mentioned that I don't like to post on message boards..LOL


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: Snoopy on August 26, 2007, 05:21:39 PM
Mike & Kim, welcome to the world of Perez.  Too bad you didn't know what you were getting yourself into, Kim would have been better off turning the job down, just like the 3 people that applied for the finance director job.  My guess is that once they heard about Perez and his gang, they probably said "you couldn't pay me enough to work for you."

As far as your previous employer doing business with Kim and the city.  I'm sure even you can see that with all the suspicious goings on that Perez is constantly involved in, when we see someone associated with Perez giving business to her husbands company, it would only be natural for red flags to go up.  As far as I'm concerned, Perez only has to walk into a room and red flags go up for me.

By the way Mike, for future reference I would not be calling anyone, especially someone you don't know, after 9:00pm.  It just isn't the courteous thing to do.  For me personally, I don't like getting calls after 9pm.


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: dj53081 on August 26, 2007, 05:31:11 PM
Snoopy you raise a good point, but I question the courteous thing.  How courteous was it to raise false accusations on these people?  I think it was courteous, if late, that Mike called rather than bashing either on the board.  Now he knows it was too late, but I give him credit for calling.


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: MikeS. on August 26, 2007, 05:35:20 PM
Hi Snoopy,

The time about calling on the phone has been noted, and apologized for.

As far Kim going with ExcelNet, they were the logical choice. They already have an access point at the marina so contracting with them is the cheapest solution. FYI there is another camera going up at Blue Harbor, they are helping to fund it. ExcelNet is also their internet provider. In a City this size I can see that one path could lead to another and you could connect the dots, but be reasonable because just about anyone  I come in contact with here doing I.T. work could be involved with tourism in some manner. One more FYI when we first moved here I interviewed for a job at Blue Harbor but didn't get it. I wonder what would have been said about that.



Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: FedUp on August 26, 2007, 06:27:41 PM
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Snoopy you raise a good point, but I question the courteous thing.  How courteous was it to raise false accusations on these people?  I think it was courteous, if late, that Mike called rather than bashing either on the board.  Now he knows it was too late, but I give him credit for calling.

Kim -- oops, that's dj, sorry -- I didn't intrude on you in your home now, did I?  THINK KIM, THINK!!!  When anyone calls any one in their home at 10:30 p.m. it's rude, period -- unless it's of the utmost importance. That's an old-fashioned thing that worked for hundreds -- make that thousands of years - -it's called "Common Courtesy". 

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As for why I called them, I wanted to discuss some things that Jeni has said on here that just aren't true.
First, if you pay any attention to things around here at all, you should know I don't say anything that isn't true.  I may speculate from time to time, but I always make it clear that I am speculating.  There are any number of ways you could have contacted me - -I have e-mail addresses all over the place and you or Kim could have IM'd me right here in the forum.  I'm not unreachable by any stretch.

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To say I am or have gained monetarily through Excelnet is also untrue.
You worked for them up to 2 months ago - -your words.  Excel was paid with room tax dollars. Excel, in turn, paid you. Thus, you profited.  How on earth can one NOT make a connection when suddenly all this city stuff going thru excel happens to be by the spouse of one of those city workers?   'Nuf said.

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Saying that the Swisher's are lining their pockets with your taxpayer money is a pure insult. Kim was hired for job and she does that job well.

What I see on these receipts is ALL OUT SOURCING.  I don't see any work being done by Kim and absolutely NONE by Mrs. Graf, who is also milking taxpayers for 21,000-something dollars.  WHAT DO THEY DO?? Travel? Give tours? Make telephone calls and ring up bills? That's work? HELLO? I don't think so. That's play time.  What these receipts show me is two women sitting around spending a WHOLE lot of money hiring photographers and other various services who do the work for them.

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The money for her salary and all projects such as the webcam are from room tax dollars, not taxpayer money.

And just what, pray tell, do you think room tax dollars are??? What goes around, comes around.  It's a TAX, PERIOD.  If you go elsewhere and pay room tax dollars, you're paying to promote some other city/county/state.  It's a nutty system to begin with but when it's all said and done, it's a freaking TAX! AND I HATE EXCESSIVE TAXATION!  That's what gets my dander up -- and more so, the waste going along with it!!!  As if it isn't bad enough being taxed literally into the grave, the money is being spent foolishly. 

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It would seem that rather than room tax money being paid to 3 people at the chamber to promote Sheboygan, it's now being paid to 2 people at the City Tourism Department.
Tourism was far more efficient and cost-effective via the Chamber of Commerce because they promoted the entire county, (which as a whole has so much more to promote and to offer people), therefore rec'd monies from the entire county. If you break down 3 people doing an entire county and compare it to two people doing a city, it should be pretty obvious which was/is more cost-efficient.

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I know that you will never agree with the Tourism Department being part of the city because of your hatred for the Mayor, and you definitely are entitled to express that.

Say what? Firstly, I don't "hate" anyone.  That word isn't part of my life.  I despise what he's doing to my home town, but as a person I don't even know him. So get that notion out of the works right now, thank you.  What I hate about this Tourism is first, the way it came about -- sneaky, shady, underhanded and disruptive to  the entire county. Second, it's always suspicious when such great lengths are gone to by anyone just to  get their way, no matter who they step on and who it ultimately costs.  That's evil. That reeks of an ulterior motive.


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It's just that jeni wrote that the city was looking to use the camera Active X control to get into peoples computers. That would be highly illegal and easy to prove.
No, Mr. Swisher, it's NOT easy to prove at all.  One would have to get their hands on the actual program from the programmer -- that's next to impossible, especially if the programmer is good.  And if one did get their hands on the program, they would have to know how to interpret it. That's the ONLY way a person could ever know if an active X control was being used maliciously or not.  I know, I had programmers for instructors and have known many and correspond with many. They've all confirmed this for me.  At best you MIGHT get a warning from protective software, but again, it always depends on the programming.  And not all "dangers" are detected by software.  SO much depends on the user, what's on their computer, etc. You ought to know that.

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"Now we go to chapter two of this saga.  Recently I posted a thread about the tourism department and Kim Swisher.  I questioned the spending that was going on in this department.  I also questioned if it was proper of Kim Swisher to hire her husband to host email accounts and cameras and also questioned the high amount he was charging the city. "

I have never been hired by the city to host e-mail accounts and have never charged them anything.  Why would Jeni post something like that? It's not true.

 I reiterate: You worked at Excel when these invoices were paid. Excel pays you. Connection made.  Tell me, what comparison plans were done? None that I've seen or read about in the minutes. Let's face it, on the surface it's just too easy to put two and two together.  Kindly stop trying to play myself and the other good members of this forum for fools.

As for the nasty letter --that's still an open question, isn't it.  How about I just ask, "Will the REAL nasty letter-writer PLEASE stand up"? Think they would???

And to my friends falling for this -- be careful.  Remember, stand for something or you'll fall for anything. I don't know about the rest of you, but I prefer to remain standing for  truth.


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: dj53081 on August 26, 2007, 06:32:31 PM
uh?  My name is Dave.  wtf?  You ok Jeni?


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: Snoopy on August 26, 2007, 06:34:39 PM
Mike, I know you already apologized for the late phone call, just giving friendly advice about making future calls to anyone after 9pm is always welcomed.

I'm sure Kim has had numerous meetings with Perez and maybe she agrees with his agenda.  Obviously many of us on this forum do not and for good reason.  Many of us, including me can speak from personal experience about being threatened by Perez and he tried to silence me several times, without success.  If Kim is on his good side and does everything he wants, then she is safe.  But let her disagree with him and look out.  He IS vindictive and that has been proven many times over the past 2+ years.

This threatening letter that Jeni got is the fault of Perez.  I'm not saying he wrote it, but he created this climate of hate in city government and there are always a couple nuts out there that will take advantage of what Perez created and go to far with it.


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: FedUp on August 26, 2007, 06:38:03 PM
By the way, Mike -- another question here...if you're not connected, how did you get access to all the passwords, the registrar records, etc., so fast that you could change the information on a Sunday?


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: MikeS. on August 26, 2007, 06:40:17 PM
Change what information? What are you making up now?


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: FedUp on August 26, 2007, 06:42:14 PM
uh?  My name is Dave.  wtf?  You ok Jeni?

All right, you asked for it - -I wasn't going to do this, but you're forcing my hand yet again.  I just have to fire up my other computer and we'll see how you're "Dave".

You people are really showing your true colors, are you aware of that?


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: MikeS. on August 26, 2007, 06:43:19 PM

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It's just that jeni wrote that the city was looking to use the camera Active X control to get into peoples computers. That would be highly illegal and easy to prove.

No, Mr. Swisher, it's NOT easy to prove at all.  One would have to get their hands on the actual program from the programmer -- that's next to impossible, especially if the programmer is good.  And if one did get their hands on the program, they would have to know how to interpret it. That's the ONLY way a person could ever know if an active X control was being used maliciously or not.  I know, I had programmers for instructors and have known many and correspond with many. They've all confirmed this for me.  At best you MIGHT get a warning from protective software, but again, it always depends on the programming.  And not all "dangers" are detected by software.  SO much depends on the user, what's on their computer, etc. You ought to know that.

LOL, if you thought it was malicious just monitor your firewall traffic. Other things could easily be done as well but since  your such the expert you can figure that out on your own. All dangers can be detected by software you just have to know how. To bad your not smart enough to figure it  out.


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: Snoopy on August 26, 2007, 06:45:41 PM
Oops, left a word out.

Mike, I know you already apologized for the late phone call, just giving friendly advice about making future calls to anyone after 9pm is NOT always welcomed.


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: FedUp on August 26, 2007, 06:46:40 PM
Change what information? What are you making up now?

Note the date:


Let's see, we have records changed TODAY, we have bogus telephone numbers given to the regsitrar and do you have permission to put the tourism web site under the PD? That one I'm clueless on so I digress; however, I do know that bogus information to a registrar is a big no-no.


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: MikeS. on August 26, 2007, 06:48:10 PM
Ms. Reisinger

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As for why I called them, I wanted to discuss some things that Jeni has said on here that just aren't true.

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First, if you pay any attention to things around here at all, you should know I don't say anything that isn't true.  I may speculate from time to time, but I always make it clear that I am speculating.  There are any number of ways you could have contacted me - -I have e-mail addresses all over the place and you or Kim could have IM'd me right here in the forum.  I'm not unreachable by any stretch.

To start with in this post you wrote "Now we go to chapter two of this saga.  Recently I posted a thread about the tourism department and Kim Swisher.  I questioned the spending that was going on in this department.  I also questioned if it was proper of Kim Swisher to hire her husband to host email accounts and cameras and also questioned the high amount he was charging the city."

That's an outright lie! I was never hired by or paid by the city to do any hosting or paid by city. Liar!


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: Snoopy on August 26, 2007, 06:49:06 PM
Jeni, give it up.  This is turning into a pi**ing match.  He is contridicting himself so bad that you don't need to respond.  He is digging his own hole.


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: FedUp on August 26, 2007, 06:50:47 PM
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LOL, if you thought it was malicious just monitor your firewall traffic. Other things could easily be done as well but since  your such the expert you can figure that out on your own. All dangers can be detected by software you just have to know how. To bad your not smart enough to figure it  out.


Thank you.  You're nothing more than a smart-mouth, just as I suspected.  Fine, I know nothing in your opinion, I really don't care about that, but I do appreciate you showing others what a schmoozer you're trying to be so I don't have to post the personal IM you sent. That's something I really don't care to do under any circumstances but you were forcing my hand. Now I don't have to.  


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: FedUp on August 26, 2007, 06:51:29 PM
Jeni, give it up.  This is turning into a pi**ing match.  He is contridicting himself so bad that you don't need to respond.  He is digging his own hole.

You're so right, Snoopy...just one more to dj aka Kim and that's enough.


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: FedUp on August 26, 2007, 06:53:09 PM
uh?  My name is Dave.  wtf?  You ok Jeni?

Yes, I'm quite well, thank you for asking.

Here, "Dave" ...



Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: MikeS. on August 26, 2007, 06:53:56 PM
Ahhh the domain registration, now you are showing  yourself as a fool...you seem to have a big issue with this one.

All domains for the city are required to registered to the police department. This was done on the day the domain was registered. The city I.S. department did that.

The records datatbase showed it was updated today, that doesn't mean any information was changed. Do you have records with different contact information on it? No!, because there never was any.

Tell the truth get it right!


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: MikeS. on August 26, 2007, 06:56:56 PM
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As for why I called them, I wanted to discuss some things that Jeni has said on here that just aren't true.

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First, if you pay any attention to things around here at all, you should know I don't say anything that isn't true.  I may speculate from time to time, but I always make it clear that I am speculating.  There are any number of ways you could have contacted me - -I have e-mail addresses all over the place and you or Kim could have IM'd me right here in the forum.  I'm not unreachable by any stretch.

 
LOL, if you think active X is malicious just monitor your firewall traffic. Other things could easily be done as well but since  your such the expert you can figure that out on your own. All dangers can be detected by software you just have to know how. To bad your not smart enough to figure it  out.

 Roll Eyes

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Thank you.  You're nothing more than a smart-mouth, just as I suspected.  Fine, I know nothing in your opinion, I really don't care about that, but I do appreciate you showing others what a schmoozer you're trying to be so I don't have to post the personal IM you sent. That's something I really don't care to do under any circumstances but you were forcing my hand. Now I don't have to.

So what is it? I can reach you or you won't reply. Liar!


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: MikeS. on August 26, 2007, 07:00:07 PM
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To say I am or have gained monetarily through Excelnet is also untrue.

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You worked for them up to 2 months ago - -your words.  Excel was paid with room tax dollars. Excel, in turn, paid you. Thus, you profited.  How on earth can one NOT make a connection when suddenly all this city stuff going thru excel happens to be by the spouse of one of those city workers?   'Nuf said.

You make it sound like I got a huge bonus for that. It wouldn't matter if they hosted with Excel or not I received a regular paycheck.

This isn't an outright lie but it sure is stretching the truth!


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: FedUp on August 26, 2007, 07:03:12 PM
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Liar!

Since we're digressing to childs-play, how about "Liar, liar, pants on fire..."

Grief, grow up and then get in touch with me.  I don't talk nonsense.  

Have you any idea how VERY much I could say right now??? I strongly urge you to stop pushing my buttons.  

Or wait ... perhaps I should simplify that so you can understand.  You may enjoy foolish games like this, but I don't and I refuse to play.

Nanny...
Nanny...
BOO BOO

Grief, that made me feel foolish

Tell you what, Mike, since you can't discuss this rationally, I'll let the others on the forum be the jury and decide if you are honest or not.


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: MikeS. on August 26, 2007, 07:05:16 PM
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The money for her salary and all projects such as the webcam are from room tax dollars, not taxpayer money.

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And just what, pray tell, do you think room tax dollars are??? What goes around, comes around.  It's a TAX, PERIOD.  If you go elsewhere and pay room tax dollars, you're paying to promote some other city/county/state.  It's a nutty system to begin with but when it's all said and done, it's a freaking TAX! AND I HATE EXCESSIVE TAXATION!  That's what gets my dander up -- and more so, the waste going along with it!!!  As if it isn't bad enough being taxed literally into the grave, the money is being spent foolishly.


Another large stretch of the truth, you don't pay this tax. You make it sound like you do. Go to any hotel in the country and you will pay a room tax. Don't make it sound like it's coming out of your pocket.


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: Ash on August 26, 2007, 07:06:26 PM
Ahhh the domain registration, now you are showing  yourself as a fool...you seem to have a big issue with this one.

All domains for the city are required to registered to the police department. This was done on the day the domain was registered. The city I.S. department did that.

The records datatbase showed it was updated today, that doesn't mean any information was changed. Do you have records with different contact information on it? No!, because there never was any.

Tell the truth get it right!

First of all Mike, you never answered my question hat I sent to you by e-mail. And, why is VisitSheboygan.com:

Whois info for, visitsheboygan.com:
Registrant:
 City of Sheboygan Tourism Division
 807 Center Avenue
 Sheboygan, WI 53081
 US

 Domain name: VISITSHEBOYGAN.COM

 Administrative Contact:
    Swisher, Kim  shebtour@excel.net
    807 Center Avenue
    Sheboygan, WI 53081
    US
    920-459-0208
 Technical Contact:
    Admin, DNS  dns-admin@excel.net
    2103 Indiana Ave
    Sheboygan, WI 53081
    US
    +1.9204520455    Fax: +1.9204528118

 Registration Service Provider:
    Excel.Net, dns-admin@excel.net
    920-452-0455
    920-452-8118 (fax)
    http://www.excel.net/

 Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.
 Record last updated on 03-Apr-2007.
 Record expires on 03-Jan-2009.
 Record created on 03-Jan-2006.


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: Snoopy on August 26, 2007, 07:11:39 PM
Mike, you are sooooo defensive right now that it makes you look guilty.  You are challenging everything as if it is black or white.  The fact is most of this stuff is various shades of gray. 

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Another large stretch of the truth

When you said this, you are proving my point.  It is all a matter of perspective.  From our perspective, something smells like a rat.  The way you have backed yourself into a corner, you sure are playing the roll of a rat real good.


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: MikeS. on August 26, 2007, 07:14:22 PM
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Liar!

Since we're digressing to childs-play, how about "Liar, liar, pants on fire..."

Grief, grow up and then get in touch with me.  I don't talk nonsense. 

Have you any idea how VERY much I could say right now??? I strongly urge you to stop pushing my buttons. 

Or wait ... perhaps I should simplify that so you can understand.  You may enjoy foolish games like this, but I don't and I refuse to play.

Nanny...
Nanny...
BOO BOO 

Grief, that made me feel foolish or Snickering

Tell you what, Mike, since you can't discuss this rationally, I'll let the others on the forum be the jury and decide if you are honest or not.



You pushed my buttons by questioning my professional integrity with this ActiveX thing. The reason I'm coming on so strong is to point out what is really going on. You say things that just aren't true. Maybe you can sluff this off as all fun and games but it makes me mad that you say these things and people who aren't familiar with situation think you know what your talking about.


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: FedUp on August 26, 2007, 07:21:52 PM
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The records datatbase showed it was updated today, that doesn't mean any information was changed. Do you have records with different contact information on it? No!, because there never was any.

Well, that's very interesting.

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Tell the truth get it right!

Okay!  I will!

From yesterday:



From today:


I'm also attaching today's because oddly enough it got awfully long between yesterday and today and it may not fit well in the forum. I have some size limitations on photos inserted in the messages. 

Also, I recently posted a screenshot of the .NET from today, and you can clearly see the changes were made today.  It looks like an attempt was made to try to hide that fact on the .ORG records, though.   *ch


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: MikeS. on August 26, 2007, 07:24:04 PM
Ash,

I didn't get an e-mail from you, it could have gone to the spam filter. What e-mail address did you use sending it from?

The visitsheboygan.com information appears that way because it is being hosted through ExcelNet. Excel requires that they be the registrar for domains they host. They don't host the visistsheboygan.net or .org, those names were registered to protect them. So perhaps a bit of confusion because of the domain extensions.

ExcelNet registers in bulk through tucows.


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: MikeS. on August 26, 2007, 07:26:22 PM
I apologize on the domain thing if i got it wrong. Any changes made today would have been at ExcelNet. So I guess we are both wrong because I don't have usernames and passwords for anything except the camera.


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: MikeS. on August 26, 2007, 07:34:05 PM
Ok,

Back to what started this thread. There was a phone call I made last week trying to contact Jeni. She posts that she received a threatening letter. She says "I'm not making any accusations of anyone in particular, but I'll let you draw your own conclusions.  I'll report, you decide!!!"

Well by posting it in that manner it sure fuels the fire for alot gray areas. So here I am trying to get back to black and white. Rather than a simple "OK Mike I see that you meant no harm" Jeni picks what I said apart in a malicious way. I was here to clear my name in 2 areas, first I would never post malicious code and secondly I wouldn't harass or stalk anyone.

I guess I'm done posting. I put my phone number in earlier if anyone has any concerns.


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: Ash on August 26, 2007, 07:42:22 PM
Mike,

i just sent you an email. All of my email comes from AsherHeimermann.com.


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: Gina on August 26, 2007, 08:12:33 PM
Mike & Kim,
I have so far refrained from joining in this argument, but now I feel I really should.

Since you two aren't familiar with all that's gone on between many Sheboygan citizens and our current mayor, you need to know that there are many of us here who have been lied about - constantly and without accountability whatsoever - threatened, slandered, etc. - all in the name of Perez. We cannot help being defensive - and jump to conclusions about somewhat if'y information we receive. We've been screamed at from cars, have had the Press harass us and print outright lies about us - calling us racist only because we questioned the foolish decisions being made from the top. Those of us who still manage to post here under our real names (which have dwindled dramatically since the beginning - due to more threats and intimidation tactics) get continually harassed by Perez followers. Jeni has endured the worst - death threats last year. Therefore, IMHO anyway, she has the right to be extremely defensive - and very careful about who knows her phone numbers or address.  She is also our resident web expert - and knows much more about computers than anybody else we know.

After all we've endured together, as well as separately, we tend to be quite the tight-knit group, and we stick up for each other at all times.  I don't think this is bad at all - I'm just explaining to you why things have gotten quite difficult for you here.  We don't mean to be 'attacking' you, but when Jeni finds out about anybody misleading us at all, it's quite natural for us to believe that there is a reason this is happening.  If we are wrong in any way, please explain it and keep out the name-calling, or you'll end up getting the same thing in return (as you've already seen). We've all been pushed much further than we can ever explain in one little thread here, so please try to understand that most here have no patience for those who don't tell the whole truth and nothing but. If you truly have nothing to hide, please just come right out with it and don't hold back - or those who know how to find the truth will do so. I'm not saying that I do believe everything you've said so far or not - I reserve that judgment until you've come completely clean about all the things mentioned here.  I just want you to understand why we 'connect the dots' so easily, as you've said previously.  If a conclusion has been incorrectly jumped to, we'd love to hear the entire explanation - without any holding back. 

You just need to understand that the truth isn't very common in Sheboygan politics - and the schmoozers are controlling the Press and even WHBL now - so it's easy for us to believe that they can control much more than that, since they've already shown how low they'll go to reach their goals. Personally, I've been raked thru the coals by Press reporters and many who write letters to the editor; I've also been verbally attacked at many public meetings by some Council members (Perez followers) and by Perez himself. Even tho everything said about me was a total and outright lie, it's never been apologized for or corrected in any way. So besides Jeni being defensive for what she's endured - which greatly tops what I've had to deal with - I, too, am very wary of those who 'clarify' their positions by explaining things on one hand, while insulting others who post here on the other.  *ch

None of us are perfect - and we don't expect that of you either - but we strive to tell the truth and will ferret out the truth when we are misled in any way.  Hope this helps you - and any others out there who don't understand why we are as defensive as we may come across at times. We do have the right to be this way, since many of us have done our utmost to help make our city safer and a better place to live, work, and play - while our mayor disagrees with our intentions (lies publicly about alderpersons, neighborhoods, goals of the SPD, dept. heads, etc., etc.), spends our tax money on frivolous things (see my Open Records Request thread for details), completely ignores the safety and well-being of most Sheboygan citizens (unless very rich or well-connected), and promotes tourism to the Nth degree (hence our feelings about the Tourism department).  To us, this is obvious mayoral incompetence and abuse of power (our reasons for working to recall him).  It's just too bad that the Press is in Perez' pocket and wouldn't let the whole truth come out to the general public; that's why we do our best to tell it here.


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: FedUp on August 26, 2007, 08:58:17 PM
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The visitsheboygan.com information appears that way because it is being hosted through ExcelNet. Excel requires that they be the registrar for domains they host. They don't host the visistsheboygan.net or .org, those names were registered to protect them.

The receipt shows ALL 3 DOMAINS REGISTERED THRU NETWORK SOLUTIONS -- SAME DATE, SAME REGISTRAR EVERYTHING.  Guess Mike forgot to talk to Kim about that one before he posted. .. or perhaps I should say "collaborate" with Kim

If anyone wants to see it, let me know and I'll scan a copy and post it tomorrow.  You can clearly see all 3 domains were registered thru Network Solutions -- and paid for to Network Solutions.


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: Joan on August 27, 2007, 09:03:34 AM
By the way, Mike Swisher said they MOVED HERE so Kim could take that job.  You mean to tell me there was not one Sheboygan citizen who qualified for this "job".  I also know that Yo-Yo was the least qualified of five applicants, so who in the world with a brain they can use, wouldn't think something smells here.  Where did you Move from Mike? 


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: Gina on August 27, 2007, 12:11:24 PM
By the way, Mike Swisher said they MOVED HERE so Kim could take that job.  You mean to tell me there was not one Sheboygan citizen who qualified for this "job".

Maybe that's the reason they hired from the outside - since everybody here knew about how this department was formed and didn't want anything to do with it.  The Swishers may have been fooled by Perez & Co. even more so than the general public of Sheboygan was - at first anyway.  It's our job to help educate them, and I for one will do my best to help in that regard!


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: FedUp on August 27, 2007, 07:35:54 PM
After their behavior last night, we're the one's who got even more of an education as to just what we're truly dealing with, Gina.


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: Joan on August 27, 2007, 08:22:25 PM
WE hit a few nerves.  Trouble really is that we are using the actual records from Kim Swisher, and maybe just reading a little bit between the lines, and they went ballistic.


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: FedUp on August 27, 2007, 08:50:05 PM
This web site stuff has gotten so crazy and the waste is so unbelievable, maybe it's time for some open records from IS.  Seems the Swishers would like to toss the ball in that court, or maybe I should say pass  the blame to them.

If we read between any lines, they were pretty clear lines -- suddenly we're paying excel net for all these wild expenses right after the Swishers move here. I'm sorry, but that's a bit more than between the lines.  How stupid are we supposed to be?? 

Listen to me here...

In 2006, the City did register the domains thru Network Solutions (who is WAY over priced, by the way, but that's another issue). On January 19, 2006, the city paid Network Solutions 104.97 for 3 domain names for tourism -- two of those were unnecessary because "visitsheboygan" isnt' ever going to be in high demand since it's a niche market. At this time, in 2006, the domains were registered to the City of Sheboygan Police with M. Keppel as the contact person.

Anyway, moving on. Swisher is now hired and walah -- Feb. of 2007, Excel net is charging for domains and even added a $50.00 set up fee.  That's absurd.  Anyone can buy a domain online and set it up "on servers", as they state on the reciept. I'm setting up domains all the time -- it takes two or three minutes... $50.00 is a pretty hefty fee for such a simple task.   Then they charged $385 additional fees for "Email addresses and domain/Web hosting.  For one year. Prior to doing this, Swisher met with IS to discuss this "little" change.

They also note on here that they will be developing six podcasts over time IN ADDITION TO THE WEB CAMS. This is all utterly useless and unnecessary.

Furthermore, I cannot find any information that states any other companies were looked into for price comparisons. Now if you're looking to be efficient in anything, don't you get some cost comparisons??? Isn't that the sensible thing to do?  *cd#

One more thing ... isn't it odd that in 2007 when Excel took over they registered the domains under the Tourism division name and address and now suddenly, as of yesterday, it was put back in the City of Sheboygan? What's up with that? Very odd. Very, very odd...


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: Ash on August 28, 2007, 03:08:36 AM
I will be submitting an open records request this morning and I will share that will jeni. Hopefully, mysterylover wont have an issue with that since I'm the one doing it.

Also, podcasts are like internet radio. They have one podcast that is video. They can host their own little radio podcast on blogtalkradio for free. Anyway, Excel was to costly for me.


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: Rocky on August 28, 2007, 05:54:49 AM
this is the most in-freaking credible thing I've seen since perez bought off graf's vote, you know that?

Swishers, you are something else.  You think that you can just play your stupid little games with the people and we'll just sit back and take thsi chit? Man are you wrong.  This city was stupid as all hell to vote in that little worm, but he made fools out of a lot of people when he ran and got their votes. The way he got this dept. should have smelled like a rat to you when you wanted this job.  You couldn't have missed the story, it was all over the place.  THE PEOPLE DID NOT WANT THIS TOURISM DEPT.  THEY SPOKE AND WERE IGNORED JUST LIKE THEY WERE WITH THE FIRE DEPT.

You're in deep now, Swishers.  There's no getting out of this now. You're in up to your lying ass necks.


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: Joan on August 28, 2007, 08:38:31 AM
Everybody sit back and take a deep breath.  Relax.  The language is getting a little out of hand here.


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: Taylor on August 31, 2007, 10:17:59 AM
I will say the Swishers were certainly defensive.  And I, too, wonder where they lived before she took that job.
On Mars?  Or somewhere else where she didn't know what was going on in Sheboygan?


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: Susan on September 14, 2007, 07:00:14 PM
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The money for her salary and all projects such as the webcam are from room tax dollars, not taxpayer money.
 

Another large stretch of the truth, you don't pay this tax. You make it sound like you do. Go to any hotel in the country and you will pay a room tax. Don't make it sound like it's coming out of your pocket.

Mike,

Just thought you might want to know - you can stay in many, many hotels (or other lodging) "in the country" and NOT pay room tax.  Room tax is decided upon by each muncipality - IF they want to collect it, the percent IF they do...There are many lodging establishments located within mere miles of Sheboygan that do not charge their guests room tax.  Another clarification about "you don't pay this tax" - that is just not a true in many situations.  Recently, I had out of town relatives visit and I paid for their lodging, so I paid the room tax.  Many taxpayers in Sheboygan bring in guests and pay the tab for their lodging - as well as businesses that bring in clients.  Sheboygan businesses and Sheboygan taxpayers made up about 33% of my Bed & Breakfast business. 

Just thought you might want the "facts"...

Susan


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: FedUp on September 14, 2007, 08:39:49 PM
Thank you, Susan!!

PS. SOOO great to see you back -- you've sure been missed!!!


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: Susan on September 14, 2007, 08:52:38 PM
Thank you Jeni - I have missed all of you too

Susan


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: Gina on September 14, 2007, 09:00:52 PM
Thank you, Susan!!

PS. SOOO great to see you back -- you've sure been missed!!!

DITTO for me, too, Susan!    Hope to see alot more of you around again. 


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: Taylor on September 15, 2007, 08:08:53 AM
Susan, I too, had out-of-town guests, and paid for lodgings for them because I didn't have enough room for everyone in my home.  They only slept there, and then came back to my home in the morning.  But I insisted on paying the hotel bills--they were after all, guests.  I'm sure this happens often. So Sheboyganites do pay room-tax dollars.


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: Joan on September 15, 2007, 09:06:03 AM
Same here, guys.


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: Snoopy on September 15, 2007, 07:45:48 PM
Hey Mike Swisher, how is your job driving bus for Sheboygan Transit going?????  Seems the city keeps getting you jobs.



Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: Johnny Appleseed on September 17, 2007, 03:48:24 PM
Does he really drive a bus for the city?  Wow, small world, isn't it.


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: Rocky on September 17, 2007, 04:17:24 PM
These people have absolutely NO shame.  Definitely  caught the perezite bug going around a select few in the city.


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: Taylor on September 17, 2007, 04:23:16 PM
This information makes me very angry.  Very angry indeed.


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: stilljuanarecall on September 22, 2007, 06:24:01 AM
DRIVING A BUS!?!???????????????????????????

Hey Mike ol boy, thought you were such a big computer expert? What you doing driving a bus der hey?? 


Title: Re: The Saga Continues...
Post by: Rocky on September 25, 2007, 07:52:42 AM
It is funny, but I see Taylor's point, too -- it frustrating they just keep sucking off the taxpayers like this. Learning well from the UBO'ster, eh?

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